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Posted: Sat Nov 8th, 2008 08:12 pm |
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It seems no one wants to start the yamaha forum. Here goes. Does anyone out there own an apex Gt? I have heard they are way heavy. Can they keep up with an mxz with the 800 motor?
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 03:32 pm |
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I have an 06 Apex RTX. Some of the stuff you will hear about the weight of the 4 strokes is people buying into the anti-yamaha advertising. It would lead you to believe that Yamaha's are like tanks. Yes, they are heavier machines... but you can "drive" the sled and put it where you want it - as opposed to just "riding" it. The Apex is a high mileage cruiser and lake runner. If you like the 4 stroke technology but want something more nimble, something that you can toss into the corners and bang through the rough stuff, then you need to look at the FX Nytro or Phazer.
The Apex pulls hard and runs strong. I've had mine up to 114 on the GPS on a hard packed road. Will it keep up with an MXZ 800? Long and straight? Yes. Tight and twisty? Probably not.
carlsyoung wrote: It seems no one wants to start the yamaha forum. Here goes. Does anyone out there own an apex Gt? I have heard they are way heavy. Can they keep up with an mxz with the 800 motor?
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 12:36 am |
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| I have an 05 RX-1, that I love, it is a little heavy but love the 4 Stroke. My wife owns a 05 Artic Cat F7 and my RX-1 does just fine against it. had it up to 121MPH on the lake.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 05:08 pm |
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GPS or Speedo?
You were most likely around 99-100 mph. My buddies speedo is the same. Im sure the track was spinng about 110.
My z-1 turbo At 177 hp I have GPS at 117mph top end on snow.
My 1200cc 4-tec Renegade GPS top end 102 mph and and a little over 500 pounds
I would be will ing to race any YAMAHA on the market anytime. A bit of software and I can kick the Z to about 220 HP!
I just wonder how many of the Yamy owners might be loser there job this year and wondering why? BUY AMERICAN!
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Posted: Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 06:24 pm |
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 10:50 pm |
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I also have an 06' Apex GT, and am happy to say that it is about as close to the perfect snowmobile as I've ridden.
I like to ride fairly aggressively, but I don't do jumps or stunts. As for speed, it handles much differently than two strokes, and I take corners a little slower. Once the trail opens up a little though, the machine is extremely responsive right off the curve and that initial pull of accelleration just keeps on going. The engine braking provides the perfect amount of resistance when coming into corners.
There is so much power in the initial pull of the engine that I'm sure the thing would be popping a wheelie if not for the additional weight.
I've offered my machine for a test run to everyone that I sled with, and this year there are 3 (out of about 12 of us) that bought Yamahas (2 Apex GTX LT's and 1 Nytro). Last year I was the only one riding Yamaha, so I think they were impressed.
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Starry Knight
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 10:51 pm |
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| I have a gps on my APEX, and find it is about 10% slower than the speedo. Still hella fast for me though!
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Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2008 07:15 pm |
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| I agree. I have an 06 as well and it is one of the most versatile sleds I've ridden. It takes some getting used to between the throttle and the weight, and you certainly don't throw it around. But after a year of riding I can maneuver it through the winding trails fast and better than my old Viper. I've had 2-3 arctic cat loyalists ride it, and they all were surprised that it didn't "seem" as heavy as they thought it would be.
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Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2008 09:18 pm |
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I own both and I can definitely say that the Apex GT blows it's doors off. The MXZ is a nice sled, make no mistake, some of the things that Skidoo changed on their sleds are definitely a plus.
One thing I do hate about the Apex GT is the crappy headlight/head-unit assembly, it breaks very easily.
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Posted: Sun Dec 7th, 2008 06:43 am |
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I have 08 LTX i put 1200mi on it last year i think the sled is awsome smooth power good milege for 150hp sled. It my first yam and my first 4 stroke all smiles here..
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Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2008 05:15 am |
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| I just bought a 2003 rx1. so far love the sled. haven't got it on the trails yet but very soon. I'll let you no more after this weekend. I do have to mention that it has a two stage turbo. That will help on those staight aways getting ahead of the pack. I really want to see the fuel milage stock is suposed to be good but will it be with the turbo. see you soon
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Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 07:53 pm |
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Just got a new 07 Apex GT about this time last year. It is awsome. It does not drive or feel heavy at all. It did dart a little too much the way it was set up from the dealer, but I softend the front shocks and that took care of it. I'm 6'6" and 260 lbs, and had it up to 117 mph and I think there was more throttle left, but I was running out of room and had to let off. There also is no throttle lag what ever. It pulls and pulls and is smooth as silk. Faster than my previous sled, Firecat F7. As far as beating a stock 800, I think it would, especially if it was top end accross a lake or long straight away. Also good on gas for large displacement, around 15 - 16 mpg.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13th, 2008 02:31 am |
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I have on 06 apex and an 01 mxz 800, I have not lined them up on hard pack but across a lake in powder my apex spun the track bad on the first run, I feathered the throttle 2nd time and it was about even to 50, after that the apex walked away.
Can't wait to get them on hard pack.
I love my apex, it doesn't feel like it's any heavier than my mxz, just a whole different power feel.
Trying to talk my wife into getting rid of her 800 and going to a new nytro, not having much luck so far.
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Posted: Thu Dec 25th, 2008 01:25 am |
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| My wife stole my 07 Attack last year and won't give it back. Just bought Nytro XTX. Will be out in the Western UP this weekend trying it out. All the naysayers stop talking about the weight of Yamaha's four strokes when they are burning more fuel and getting beat on performance. I have also been riding with guys who were on Ditch Pickles and now are drinking the four stroke Yamaha Kool-Aid.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 03:53 am |
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I have a 08 Apex RTX. I have been riding sleds since 1972 and this is the best overall sled I have ever owned or ridden. 4 stroke is the way to go. The power is endless and has tons of low end torque. You do need to watch how hard you push the gas as the skis do not work well when they are not on the ground! I did manage to get it stuck in 4 feet of drifted snow and without help I could have never got it out alone (always good to ride with a friend). It is heavy but does not feel bad on the trails. The Fox floats are great shocks. For a 150 HP sled it is easy on the gas and no $45 per gal injection oil and no 2 stroke smell. 
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Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 06:10 pm |
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| Let me know how you like the xtx. I was shopping around for a crossover sled this fall. I have always owned yamahas but was worried about the deep powder capabilites of the xtx and the small gas tank. I ended up buying an arctic cat crossfire. Its no where near the fit and finish and overall level of refinement of yamahas. I also am choking on 2 stroke fumes. But it is great in the deep stuff.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 06:18 pm |
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| I love the RTX for trail riding but for deep powder I would go for the mountain version with the long track. Check out the video on you tube "breathe" or "Apex in powder" and don't let anyone tell you they will not perform in the deep stuff.
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Markymark875
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Posted: Fri Jan 2nd, 2009 01:50 am |
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| Its Basically in how u set it up, and how aggressive you are, if you remember apex took 1st in the I-500 in the soo, also yamaha RTx won the cross country last year or 2 years ago, I have no problem keeping up with the 8oos, and no problem passing them, and yes in corners to. Attachment: attack.jpg (Downloaded 114 times)
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Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 07:13 pm |
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3 years ago there were all Ski Doos in the sled pack I run with, since 2006 when one us got an Apex, we now have 2 more Apex's a Nitro and a Vector. I own the Vecotr GT. Many of us were Ski Doo die hards. I love the Vector, but it will be the wife sled next year because I'm replacing it with the Apex GT.
Headhight does break very easy. To replace it is expensive. I have a way to salvage the damaged light assambly. If you run into this problem (broken headlight mounts) email me for the fix.
rjgroll@yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 03:47 am |
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The other night I was out on the trails near Petoskey. One of the guys I was riding with blew a piston on his cat. We were riding pretty hard and I pulled up to him and then left my apex gt idling to give us some light. It overheated and shut itself off. I have never had it overheat before, but, then again, I have never let it idle after running it hard. Is this common?
My other issue that I have noticed now that I have kicked my riding up a notch is the darting and hunting. It is so bad that its actually dangerous. Anyone out there know what a good fix is? This may be a deal breaker if I can't solve this. I also have a crossfire 1000 and it tracks straight as an arrow in any kind of snow.
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Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 03:57 am |
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| They will shut off if you let them idle more than a few min. They start right back up, it is a feature in the control that keeps it from overheating. It is normal. I have heard of other people with darting problems but mine is a 2008 Apex RTX and I have no darting at all under any conditions. I have heard of people with 2006 and 2007 Apex that have had a darting problem and the put dual carbides on and it fixed the problem
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Markymark875
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Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 08:53 am |
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| Is'nt it nice to know that the yamaha engines are bullet proof? also I agree with the dual carbide runners, but if you cant afford them, there is an easier way, take a 2 1/4 thick X 5 1/4 length piece of pipe, cut long ways in half, drill your holes for your skegs to fit inside the u shape pipe, install the pipe and skegs onto the skis, darting problem gone. also lighten your frontend will work to, turn in your spring clockwise on the front shock on your suspension, If you have good 6" or 9" carbide you still can turn good.
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Markymark875
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Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 08:57 am |
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Markymark875 wrote: Is'nt it nice to know that the yamaha engines are bullet proof? also I agree with the dual carbide runners, but if you cant afford them, there is an easier way, take a 2 1/4 thick X 5 1/4 length piece of pipe, cut long ways in half, drill your holes for your skegs to fit inside the u shape pipe, install the pipe and skegs onto the skis, darting problem gone. also lighten your frontend will work to, turn in your spring clockwise on the front shock on your suspension, If you have good 6" or 9" carbide you still can turn good.
Hate to say it, but If you have a ski-doo, use those skis, thats what I did. Those pilot ski's are close to the best.
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Markymark875
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Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 09:00 am |
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| Just be ready for some flaws that EVERYONE that owns the apex is having, 3,000 to 4,000 miles doughnuts on exhaust are burning out, then shortly after that, the pipes where the clamps connect to the flex pipe are breaking because of the titanium pipes they use, no problems on the stainless pipes used on the 04 05 rx1, then about 5,000 miles the drive bearings go. go to totallyamaha.com and read there forums, lots and lots of people complaining about those problems, my doughnuts went at 3,700 miles, same with my freinds, and my dads. I am putting an 04 rx1 pipe on mine, u have to weld 2" on the end, but its still cheaper than new, and benders pipes are stainless, but 500$.
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Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 02:48 pm |
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| my husband rides an 06 apex. he studded it and put dual carbides on. doesn't have a problem with darting now. but now when i'm behind him i get stuck in his grooves and it makes me dart. especially on freshly groomed "set up" trails. as for the heaviness..i've ridden it & to me it seems like a beast, he says it seems kinda heavy to him too. but the thing rides so smooth, we were on some awful trails and he let me ride it and it was such a treat! felt guily watching him bob up and down on mine.(an 02 zr 600) i'd get a yamaha myself but i'm a die hard cat fan.
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Markymark875
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| My girlfriend rides a 06 ski-doo 550f, but she wears the arctic cat gear.......and loves my 07 yamaha rtx Attachment: 01-27-2009 07;54;48PM.JPG (Downloaded 80 times)
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Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2009 05:48 am |
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I did the pipe thing and it worked great for the darting, I can run down a bumpy trail at 60 mph one handed.
The down side to the pipes on the skis is it steers a little stiff.
I heard of guys fastening a piece of angle to th side of the ski to give it that extra point of contact, suppose to work as well.
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Markymark875
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Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2009 06:57 pm |
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| Mine steers like I have power steering, no effort at all, did u make sure u put a 45 degree angle on both ends? and make sure your carbide digs before the pipe does? you dont want pipe to dig, its only to make a different track.
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Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2009 08:23 pm |
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I might have them a little too tall. I rounded the ends instead of a 45 cut.
Did you grind out the ski to mount yours? That might be part of my problem.
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Markymark875
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Posted: Sat Jan 31st, 2009 07:37 pm |
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| No grinding of the ski, sounds like you just cut the pipe in half, hard to explain here, lol, you just wanna make sure when there installed, make sure carbide is slightly taller, If sled is setting on cement, the pipe should'nt hit cement, also the 45 degree helps to, if you have reverse make sure u do the backside to. I just put pilot ski's on mine, they work great.
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